Are Gitzo Tripods Unstable?

An occasional consideration for the landscape photographer is the likelihood of their tripod blowing over in the wind. This has so far only happened to me once, but I have heard of this issue many times before.

The likelihood of a tripod tipping over is related to the strength of the wind and the cameras centre of gravity relative to the location of its feet. A tripod with a wide base is hence less likely to tip over in the wind. The size of the tripod base is one of the most significant factors when it comes to resisting tripod vibration in the wind. A wide base is highly desirable in this regard. The trade must be made by the tripod manufacturer as to whether to prioritise maximum height or the size of the base. Setting a wider leg angle increase the size of the base and stability but also reduces its height.

I recently purchased a Gitzo 1541 Mountaineer. The tripod wasn’t for me for a number of reasons but the biggest issue I had was the relatively narrow base at the tripods highest setting. I felt that the ‘default’ leg angle was simply too acute and stability had been sacrificed to squeeze out a tiny bit of additional height. I have since reverted back to my G2228 Explorer tripod, to allow me to set the legs as wide as I like. However I thought I would look into leg angles to see if Gitzo, Manfrotto and other tripod manufacturers were getting it right or not.

The diagram below shows the simple trigonometry and algebra to see the trade-off between height and stability. The diagram considers the worst tripod orientation relative to the wind direction (not that this matters when it comes to the analysis)

Hopefully you can follow the maths. If you can't just read on!

Analysis

D=WTanA/1.6

Where D is the drag force due to wind W is the combined weight of the camera and tripod (a constant) A is the leg angle At the tipping point drag force D is proportional to TanA.

H = LCosA

Where H is the tripod height with centre column retracted L is the length of the tripod leg (a constant) A is the leg angle The height H is proportional to CosA

Now if we plug in some values for A (in this case 24 degrees, 30 degrees and 35 degrees) then we can see how a wider leg angle might affect tripod height and tripod stability.

  • Tan24 = 0.445
  • Cos24 = 0.913
  • Tan30 = 0.577
  • Cos30 = 0.866
  • Cos35 = 0.819
  •  Tan35 = 0.700

If the standard leg angle was changed from 24 degrees to 30 degrees this would result in a resistance to tipping increase of 30% with a reduction in height of only 5% (without the centre column) this would mean that the Gitzo mountaineer would go from 138cm to 131cm for a 30% increase in tipping resistance. Setting the leg angle to 35 degrees reduces the height by 10% but increases tipping resistance by a massive 57%!

Conclusion

The trade between height and stability/tipping resistance is a hard one to strike. In my opinion the standard leg angle of 24 degrees is too narrow. A leg angle of 30 degrees would produce a marked stability increase at a minimal cost to extended height. The issue is compounded further if you don’t set up the tripod properly. Setting it up at an angle pointing downwind increases the tripods likelihood of tipping over and reduces its stability. This is the regular cause of tripods blowing over in the wind. A wider tripod base would allow a greater margin for error. This all leads me to the conclusion that having variable leg angles is a hugely useful feature. When its really windy you can set your tripod legs to 35 degrees, increasing stability by 57% with only a small reduction in height. Equally when it is calm you might like to set the legs to 20 degrees to gain a higher viewpoint.

8 Comments

  1. Posted November 30, 2011 at 19:15 | Permalink

    Honestly Alex. Have you too much time on your hands….?
    This has never entered my mind. If its too windy then shots wont be sharp anyway. I read about five lines and signed off…..

  2. Posted November 30, 2011 at 21:45 | Permalink

    Gosh someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning!

    I’m an engineer, I like thinking about things like that from time to time. I recently bought and sold on a Gitzo tripod in part because I didn’t feel the leg base was wide enough. Getting sharp shots in the wind is perfectly possible, one of the ways you can help is by giving you tripod a wide base, although there are many many other factors!

  3. Posted December 11, 2011 at 21:00 | Permalink

    That’s a lot of maths for a simple problem. Do Gitzo tripods not have a hook on the bottom of the centre column for hanging your bag off?
    Even if you travel light you can still take a sturdy carrier bag and fill it with something on site.

    Out of habit I always hang my camera bag on the tripod even if it’s not that windy just so filters etc are easier to access.

  4. Posted December 11, 2011 at 21:21 | Permalink

    Can’t argue with that Mike! I suppose from my perspective I rarely use the hook so I see the tripod as the problem, but maybe its just me!

  5. Posted December 15, 2011 at 12:43 | Permalink

    Interesting analysis!

    I’ve long since forgotten the maths and physics you’ve used (I have a BEng from Loughborough), but it was enjoyable to hear your conclusions.

    A lot of tripods I see out and about or at shows seem to be very unstable and ‘weedy’

    Personally, I use a Gitzo GT5561SGT, which is bombproof – I successfully photographed the Giant’s Causeway with huge gusts of wind coming off the sea and causing people to almost fall over. Tripod was like a rock :-)

  6. Posted December 15, 2011 at 21:49 | Permalink

    its basic trigonometry :P I know what you mean though! I guess a 5 series is the way to go if you dont want to mess about. For me the 2 series explorer is the right compromise when weight is an issue :)

  7. Posted December 29, 2011 at 16:49 | Permalink

    I snapped my Manrotto in Dorset recently and am currently using my backup 1kg ultralight Gitzo, it is far too light for my taste (an a little unballanced with the 5D2 plus lens) so I attach a bungee to it and then down to the camera bag. It is now almost impossible to tip over. Just reminded me of the need to order a new set of legs.

    I love shopping for camera gear :)

  8. Posted December 30, 2011 at 10:46 | Permalink

    yes I think the very lightest models are a little lightweight for most photographers but they could be more useful with a wider base. The bungee idea is of course a good one, but its not really practical in the long run!
    Yes shopping for camera gear is something I like to do too, althouhg I have little reason these days!

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